September 04, 2003

What goes around goes around and around

Crooked Timber mocks this choice bit of blog buffoonery (bloffoonery?) from YACB (Yet Another Conservative Blog -- sorry, but they are no longer an amazing and rare phenomenon) Right on the Left Beach:

Lefties just cannot stand back and take an honest look at their agenda and supporters and admit the truth — they would rather be living under Stalin’s Soviet Union than the United States headed by President George W. Bush — they will defend without logic any lefty miscreant that supports the lefty agenda. Lefties crave power at all costs."

Heh heh, yeah, that is pretty stupi--

Uh oh, what do we have here, from the comments to the Crooked Timber post (scroll down to "anna's" comment):

Actually, I doubt that we should even be called lefties. We’re not actually “on the left”. I just think that we have the ability to take a few steps back and see the whole picture. That is probably the only generalization about conservatives that I am willing to make, they cannot (or perhaps just don’t want to) see the whole picture.

Never mind.

Posted by Andrea Harris at September 4, 2003 10:39 PM
Comments

That's the true lefty--they actually believe they are centrists!

Posted by: Susie at September 5, 2003 at 02:40 PM

And misunderstood. "If only our message weren't distorted by the corporate-controlled press, then everyone would naturally vote for us."

And in the majority. "There are more of us than there are of them," sez Michael Moore.

And smarter than everyone else. "What do you expect from the unwashed masses? Of course they're stupid." [Yes, btw, just read some of the comments made over at Jane Galt's blog, where Left/Liberals make JUST that point.]

Posted by: Dean at September 5, 2003 at 03:56 PM

Umm, believing you're a centrist and preferring Stalin to Bush are two totally different things, and the one doesn't have anything to do with the other. Accusing us of the former is rightly pointing out some silliness; accusing us of the latter is a disgusting libel. So I don't really get the point you're trying to prove by juxtaposing these.

Posted by: seth at September 5, 2003 at 04:49 PM

I'm not running a Communications 101 course. If you can't get my very simple point (which I am sure you did, you're just being a tightassed jerk about it) I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. I have better things to do.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 5, 2003 at 07:27 PM

Baby...you rock. That should be a state record, if not one for the B&C record book.

Posted by: Scott Chaffin at September 5, 2003 at 08:20 PM

Jebus Andrea, PMS much? Seth makes a perfectly valid point and asks for some clarification and how do you respond?

You call him names, and you insult him.

Bitch, don't be a hater, you've told me all I need to know about you.

Posted by: jerry at September 6, 2003 at 06:17 AM

Jerry & Seth:

If Andrea suffers for accuracy, it's because so very few lefties are willing to go through the necessary credibility-buying process of acknowledging all of the worthwhile things about the right before nailing us for the deficiencies.

For instance, the left wing as I experience it is chronically unwilling to acknowledge that the free market is fundamentally the most efficient and effective mechanism by which to organize (or not bother to organize) economic activity.

I have rarely heard a lefty start out "I know that progressive income taxes encourage laziness and it is objectively unfair that the top 25% of income earners in the US pay 67% of the nation's income taxes, BUT I am concerned that Bush's efforts to repeal the death tax will lead to persistent inequities between the wealth levels of deserving poor children and the undeserving children of the rich."

THAT person would buy him- or herself the credibility of understanding basic economics, seeking to make carburetor adjustments to get to an optimal world, vs. just being a lunatic incapable of understanding the objective lessons of history.

So in my mind, Andrea loses points for verbal precision but earns huge ones for simply raising a valid point.

Posted by: Jonathan at September 6, 2003 at 08:01 AM

"Bitch, don't be a hater." Heh heh, I love it. I think I've found my site's new motto.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 6, 2003 at 12:52 PM

acknowledge that the free market is fundamentally the most efficient and effective mechanism by which to organize (or not bother to organize) economic activity.

And not once will you ever hear a conservative say anything beyond the period in that sentence. Like, "but of course, a 'free market' is a misnomer - all markets are the product of a whole set of laws and enforcement mechanisms. The only truly "free" market is piracy."

"I know that progressive income taxes encourage laziness and it is objectively unfair that the top 25% of income earners in the US pay 67% of the nation's income taxes...

Progressive income taxes encourage laziness? Oh yeah, don't give me that stock option, I don't feel like paying tax on it. And people with high incomes pay more income tax because ... they have high incomes. That's not unfair, that's math.

Posted by: Mithras at September 6, 2003 at 01:11 PM

Roger,

I am attaching the introduction letter you requested I believe one month ago. It is in Word 2000 format. I boldfaced and bracketed the portions of this letter that are unique to each sender.

You will necessarily tailor these portions depending on to whom you are sending each letter and who is writing it. Please let me know what you think of this draft letter.

Respectfully,

Kevin Brehmer

******************************************************

[Mr. Jones,]

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We all agree that fixing the current Income Tax is impossible. Ronald Reagan attempted that in 1988 by reducing the number of marginal tax rates from 17 to 3. Politicians in Washington D.C. added 8,000 pages to the Internal Revenue Code and five marginal tax rates since then. The internal revenue code gets more complicated every time politicians simplify it.

The only alternative left is to tear the existing Income Tax out by its roots, throw it away and begin all over again. The Fair Tax is the most dynamic, most thoroughly researched tax reform proposal ever while being the only progressive tax reform proposal considered by congress today. The Fair Tax is also the only tax reform proposal with bipartisan support in both houses of congress.

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Respectfully,

[Kevin Brehmer]
[DD MI-7]

Posted by: Kevin Brehmer at September 6, 2003 at 02:38 PM

The point I see here is repeatedly illustrated by lefties. They are unburdened by any burden of proof. They apparently believe that all they have to do is call somebody [else] a name and that is that. That is their QED. Nothing else is necessary. Of course, this often leads to a reductio ad absurdum argument. Hey, once you get away with calling somebody [else] a name, then all you have to do is attack that [insulting] name you called him. That is your second QED. That means you really won!

Posted by: kevin brehmer at September 6, 2003 at 02:38 PM

Taxeszzzzzzzzzz....

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 6, 2003 at 10:31 PM

And of course, "righties" never call anybody names or generalize about anyone. Sense of irony, much?

Posted by: Owen at September 7, 2003 at 11:00 AM

You can't read, can you, Owen?

Posted by: Andrea Harris at September 7, 2003 at 11:05 AM

Yes, I was reading Brehmer's comments, which I though were pretty damn ironic, given the subject of the entry.

Posted by: Owen at September 7, 2003 at 12:44 PM

The only truly "free" market is piracy."

Economic illiteracy.

Piracy is theft.

A pirate but is a free-lance socialist.

Posted by: Tanstaafl at September 7, 2003 at 10:15 PM

Arrggg....

...is but.....

Preview is my friend.

Posted by: Tanstaafl at September 7, 2003 at 10:16 PM