February 27, 2003

Celebrity Death Match

Ooh, Janeane Garofalo got her ass kicked on Fox and Friends on the Fox News Network. Brian Kilmeade was somewhat -- ah -- less than deferential to the august pronouncements of Ms. Garofalo. It almost makes me wish I had cable teevee so I could have watched this.

(Via Sharon Ferguson.)

Posted by Andrea Harris at February 27, 2003 12:24 PM

Tony Snow interviewed her last Sunday, in a much more low-key way, but she still managed to amply demonstrate her idiocy. Here's the transcript.

Posted by: Tracey at February 27, 2003 at 02:11 PM

Is she a front for the pro-war side? I mean she is a gift to them...what a maroon! She just ignores any mention of Iraqis being killed now, the genocide against the kurds etc...

Posted by: Andrew at February 27, 2003 at 03:23 PM

To her credit, Janeane Garofalo was, in the first 10 seconds or so, reasonably pleasant and well-spoken...up until the moment Brian Kilmeade cold-cocked her upside the head with the Facts Of The Matter. Once the bloodletting started, she was pretty much a goner, though. It was a beautiful thing.

Posted by: Zeb Trout at February 27, 2003 at 05:25 PM

You can see the interview here. But you do have to register.


Posted by: Andrew Zeppa at February 27, 2003 at 08:20 PM

You know, it's one thing to attempt to let somebody who's got a way of thinking about things explain themselves, and then watch was the inadequacies of their thought processes and the weak foundations of their logic are exposed. To do it properly requires a deft and subtle hand.

It's quite another thing to just bash them on the head and get them all worked up. All that Kilmeade did was get off on himself, beat up on someone who was out of her depth, and reinforce Garofalo's illusions of repression. I'm really not impressed.

Posted by: Ian Wood at February 28, 2003 at 09:43 AM

I don't agree. Big egos need big smackdowns, and from what I've read Garofalo's has swollen nine times its size. These Hollywood people are used to having everyone around them tell them how wonderful they are, until they are as delusional as Saddam Hussein about the importance of their own opinions. It would have been nice if someone who wasn't a member of the media had been the one to deliver the comeuppance, but it's doubtful that there is anyone outside of the media that she respects.

In any case, I don't believe that at this point anything short of a tour of a children's gulag in Basra would change the mind of any of these antiwar celebs. Even that sight might only reinforce their notion that its all somehow the US's fault. It's all bound up in their huge egos: since they live in it, America must have the power to make the whole world perfect, and since it hasn't, that means it's the most evil country in the world. That way they can still be on top.

Posted by: Andrea Harris at February 28, 2003 at 10:12 AM

Once she went off on the tangent about FNC getting its talking points from the WH, she was a goner.

She was sliced, diced, and filleted.

Oh, and did anyone else know that she was against our actions in Afghanistan? Yup, seems as though she was for "talking" to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

BTW, when was the last time she had a gig?

Posted by: Ricky at February 28, 2003 at 11:48 AM

Entertainment value aside, the thing I found most illuminating was JG bitching at Kilmeade for being "combative." A clue for you, Miss Garofalo: good journalists should be combative. Their job isn't to kiss anyone's ass, but to call it as they see it and speak truth to power.

Posted by: David Jaroslav at February 28, 2003 at 02:17 PM

Why is this woman volunteering to made a fool of again and again? Is she that desperate for face time?

Posted by: Andrew at February 28, 2003 at 05:21 PM

Apparently, she also said last week that she didn't protest the bombing of Kosovo because "it wasn't hip" to do so.

Posted by: Ken Summers at February 28, 2003 at 10:33 PM


Clinton could have nuked Berkeley and it still wouldn't have been "hip" for this crowd to have any problems with it. So much of the supposed antiwar movement is really just the barest facade for anti-Bush/anti-GOP rantings. When they protest "regime change," they are, after all, rejecting the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, signed into law by their beloved Slick Willy himself, but don't ask them to explain the inconsistency. That might require actual thought rather than sloganeering.

Posted by: David Jaroslav at February 28, 2003 at 11:03 PM

It's not necessarily an inconsistency. You simply have to believe that Bush is so incompetent that he'll create a disaster implementing something that somebody else could have done right.

Now, I don't think I would personally come under that heading. While I voted for Clinton twice, I have to say that he wasn't noticeably more brilliant than Bush at conducting wars (I much prefer Bush's approach to Afghanistan to Clinton's, for instance).

What worries me more is the absolutely amazing level of international opposition. We've got allies, but even their populations are really anti-war; only the leaders are on our side. Well-meaning people in sedate Western countries are actually marching by the hundreds of thousands to keep one of the world's bloodiest, most sadistic butchers in power, because they like Bush less than they like him! I can see abandoning the "why do they hate us?" question for the case of Islamist suicide hijackers; they've succumbed to a crazy death ideology. But when you have whole populations of Westerners who are really about an eighth of an inch different from Americans saying we're the great Satan, maybe somebody in the administration should be paying more attention to image.

I think the war itself will probably go much better than most doomsayers predict, and while the aftermath in Iraq will be a nasty puzzle, maybe it will be less nasty than the alternative. The thing that gives me nightmares is just the possibility for blowback everywhere else: loss of trade partners, France waving the nuclear force de frappe at us as a containment measure, maybe a big resurgence of Baader-Meinhof-type violence in Europe, the resulting economic losses... I just hope that the anti-war West is as wimpy as hawks say it is, or we're in for big, big trouble.

Posted by: Matt McIrvin at March 1, 2003 at 01:24 AM

Well, I'm sorry, I don't hold such a doom-and-gloom position, and I rather think the loss of trade partners will hurt the trade partners more than us. Also, I am not so sure that there are "massive" amounts of Europeans who are that irrational, especially in Eastern Europe. It's not as if we are asking them to send their soldiers along with us; we are asking them more to get out of our way. Sometimes the majority is simply wrong. Besides, I don't know what Bush can do about his image that will make the French, German, and British elites respect him short of magically transforming himself into the reincarnation of Sir Ralph Richardson. Please don't be one of those people taking up space on my blog to moan about how "the administration" (or whatever) "has to do something!" but not coming up with any suggestions yourself. You know, if you have an idea, you can always write the White House.

PS: by the way, I'm not interested in what other people think of Americans any more. In case you didn't know. That got mostly destroyed watching the Palestinians dance over the corpses of our firemen and office workers, and died completely when I read some English or Aussie bitch writing earlier this year on, I believe, Indymedia about how all this September 11th stuff is such a bummer and Americans should "get over it" because none of her friends have suffered a terrorist attack in whatever hole across the pond she lives in. I. Am. Simply. Not. Interested. In. Their. Opinions. Get it?

Posted by: Andrea Harris at March 1, 2003 at 01:37 AM

I watched Tony Snow take her apart in real-time and saw the Fox and Friends segment on the web.

Tony was subtle and finessed her into making stupid statements. He did a good job of exposing her to be full of herself and horribly misinformed. She was just plain ignorant.

I think Brian had seen the Tony Snow segment and decided she needed to be brought up short. He came out swinging at the first opportunity (her first parroting of a standard leftist lie, "No Allies" I think) and challenged her "facts". When confronted, she got shrill and defensive then exposed herself as, not only ignorant, but also willfully ignoring the plight of the Iraqi people.

She repeatedly asked "Why do you keep framing the issue as me supporting Saddam?" whenever asked "What about the Iraqi people who are being murdered?"

All in all, she was mugged and deservered it.

Posted by: Mike S at March 1, 2003 at 11:31 AM